What Did Animal Life On Planet 4 Look Like Before David Released Black Goo

Kethol

Chestburster Fellow member 511 XP Jun-25-2017 nine:xvi AM

Virtually That Blackness Cleansing Lotion...

There seems to be a lot of confusion about the functions of the black pathogen (or black goo, accelerant, mutagen, or xenovirus, for those of you that prefer one of those names) that the Engineers created and if at that place is only one form, or many. Although it is not simple, I thought it was very clear what it is a what it does in Prometheus and Covenant, merely reading some threads here and elsewhere, it seems some people are still confused.

The David/Oram lab scene in Covenant actually lays information technology out, the Advent video provides even more information. David'due south dialogue in Alan Dean Fosters novelization, based on an early script, and an late draft of the script by John Logan explained it even more, and then I thought I would attempt to compile a summary using those and a few other sources, plus what we run across in the movies. Skip to the 4 FORM OF PATHOGEN summary at the finish, if y'all don't want to read all the details.

WHAT IS IT?
A pathogenic virus in the class of a blackness fluid that triggers virulent genetic and concrete mutations to whatever genome information technology is exposed to. Information technology hijacks cells and rewrites their DNA.

In Appearance, David calls it a "primordial ooze ripe with avant-garde nano particles, operating off on an algorithm based on evolutionary computing". 'Primordial ooze' a substance made up of organic compounds and amino acids that form protein structures - in other words, it contains the building blocks of life.

A 'nanoparticle'is just a small, single particle that behaves as a whole unit. In in this application, information technology is comparable to a single particle that is office of a commonage hive intelligence.

In genome editing and gene recombination, 'nanopartcles' can be used with high efficiency to deliver protein packages across jail cell wall barriers and targeted to specific areas of specific cells requiring genome editing or factor therapy. This is simply David existence a little more specific than just saying 'the pathogen rewrites the host DNA', which is what he said in the movie.

The "A.I." David refers to is tied to the 'evolutionary calculating' term he also says. Evolutionary computing is a information science term that is used in the field of Artificial Intelligence, just in this artificially created biotechnology application (or biomechanical) it means algorithms based on biological evolution are used to predictively organize amino acid sequences and poly peptide structures in an intelligent manner. Over again, this is simply more detail on how the pathogen is radically rewriting the host Dna for a purpose.

Evolutionary computing algorithms rely on real biologically inspired genetic operations, like selection, mutation, and crossover. Crossover is taking parent chromosomes from more than 1 parent and producing an offspring combining features of those parent chromosomes. That is exactly what the pathogen does when the parasite takes on characteristics of the host from its Deoxyribonucleic acid, such every bit the "dog" version of the Alien seen in Alien 3, which walked on all-four legs, instead of upright like the homo born version. Or the ultramorph (Deacon) in Prometheus, which had genetic information from Holloway'southward mutation, Shaw's Deoxyribonucleic acid, and Engineer DNA.

DID THE ENGINEERS CREATE IT?
Diverse comments from Damon Lindeloff and Ridley Scott hint that the Engineers may not have created the pathogen originally. The film title may as well hint that they took it or stole it from another higher race.

At the foot of the mural in Prometheus is an altar with what looks similar a broken green gem rock. One theory is that this gem independent the original form of the pathogen, which the Engineers used to develop their own version, or versions, from.

IS THERE Just Ane Course OF THE PATHOGEN? - This question stirs up much debate. When Prometheus came out, people were trying to resolve how one pathogen could cause all the different effects we run across happen. Some theories say the result varies by dosage or host type, others by how the discipline was infected - skin contact, ingestion, inhalation - but all the evidence seems to indicate there are multiple forms of the pathogen designed for specific functions. David fifty-fifty says information technology came in many forms in Covenant.

This is why you lot see it exercise diverse different things in both movies, and why in Prometheus we see urns of various sizes in the Juggernaut cargo hold and the temple/caput room, all with dissimilar markings on them.

"The pathogen took many forms and proved extremely mutable", he explained. - David from the Covenant novel.

"They were as ingenious with their pathogens as they were with everything else" - David from John Logan's script

These are the diverse urn props used, showing all the sizes and writing. The movie makers could have simply had a main container made and bandage that to make all the props, but instead they were intentionally fabricated in a variety of dissimilar sizes with different information written on each in the Engineers alphabet.

So what is written on them? If we made a weaponized pathogen, we would likely marking the containers with the contents, give it a lot number, and date. That would give some commonality to the markings, only that is not what we run across here. So what is written on them? Who knows. It could be the grade of the pathogen inside, an Engineer prayer or approval, or whatsoever number of things, but the takeaway is the text is all different.

THE PATHOGEN HAS AN OFFICIAL IDENTIFIER

The Weyland website and Prometheus Blu Ray supplemental material show that the Weyland corporation chosen the pathogen Chemical AO-3959X.91 - fifteen.

THE PATHOGEN IS UNDETECTABLE WHILE DORMANT
 "While it is fallow, the virus is completely inactive. There was aught for your transport or companion (Walter), competent as their respective instrumentation might be, to detect. Its not as if it is floating in the air like a common germ. The ability to lie inactive for a very, very long fourth dimension is 1 of the things that makes information technology so dangerous. And dangerous to its Engineers as well."- David from the Covenant novel.

THE PATHOGEN RECREATES ITSELF, AND WHEN It RUNS OUT OF HOSTS, Information technology GOES Fallow

"The original liquid atomizes to particles when exposed to the air. It then reproduces in whatever host it happens upon and eventually gives ascent to more liquid, which at the advisable time atomizes, and and so on, and and then on. The cycle repeating itself virtually endlessly. ..Until there are no more hosts." - David

THE PATHOGEN HAS AN EXTREMELY LONG LIFESPAN

"The pathogen itself has an extremely long lifespan. Given a suitable environment in which to exist in stasis, information technology tin can lie fallow for hundreds, if not thousands of years, until a suitable host presents itself, and awakens it to commence the wheel again." - David

On the Prometheus Blu Ray and Weyland website there are parts of a report on the pathogen submitted to Weyland Corp by David. How canonical that material may be is debatable, simply the part about the storage ampules states this - "These ampules are to display an engraved information placard on the exterior surface. Inside the ampules there are to be iv conical-shaped glass phials that contain agent. This will ensure the agent ability to retain infectivity and virulence after a prolonged flow of storage."

THE PATHOGEN INFECTS ALL NON-BOTANICAL LIFE. ALL THE Animate being (animals), NO FLORA (plants)
"The pathogen was designed, engineered might be a better term since those of u.s.a. on the Prometheus came to think of them equally genetic engineers, to infect any and all non-botanical life forms. Its sole office is to reproduce. The offspring volition terminate at nada to exercise so. Information technology is their rationale for being, designed into them past the Engineers. " - David

A SINGLE Application OF THE PATHOGEN CAN Render AN ENTIRE PLANET UNINHABITABLE
"They kill by reproducing. An elegant method of 'warfare', if you take the time to think most it. Or 'experimentation' if one prefers that clarification. A very thorough way of cleansing a world of unwanted lifeforms. If even a single offspring of the virus is left, it volition non end until it has found a living host. It seeds, then it moves on. Equally yous have seen, the seed incubates, mutates,  and matures with astonishing speed, until information technology is reborn. If not controlled*, a unmarried application is quite capable of rendering an entire world uninhabitable." - David

Note - This implies the spread tin can be controlled, if desired.

THE TINY Blackness MOTES - these are basically the same type of delivery method as a facehugger, simply a much tinier organism. The mote eggs are what the first two Covenant victims stepped on. Dozens of these little motes swarmed out and infected them with Neomorph eggs/embryos. The Covenant motes as well look very similar to the tiny objects we meet swarming out of the Engineer in the Prometheus prologue as he is being disintegrated by the pathogen, and the black objects swarming effectually the Engineers later on David bombs them.

We have this quote almost the motes from John Spaith'south on the Prometheus Blu Ray - "The black material that consumed him (the Engineer) transmuted into little scarab-like gnats that flew away across the earth…". In his version of the script we actually get to see these insects up shut.

In late draft of the Covenant script nosotros also become to run into the insects up close infecting Ledward.

"A haze of piffling mote-like MIDGES in the dappled sunlight. And we see i of the insects--
MACRO VIEW:
Ever-changing in its form -- lurching and stabbing into new shapes -- oily black but beautiful ... It hovers, has intelligence...Information technology's watchful, careful. Information technology settles most Ledward'southward ear, so enters the ear canal... the soft pink flesh... quickly
attaches itself -- a feeding tube plunging into his flesh--"

...and infecting Hallet.

"But he inadvertently steps on a tiny egg behind him-- Unleashing a cloud of the MIDGES. They waft upwards. Swirling before him...
MACRO VIEW:
One of the black INSECTS darts forward -- into his nostril -- the pink nasal passage -- attaches itself and stabs a feeding tube into him--"

Interesting that the original idea was that the midge-motes have an "ever irresolute form" and constantly change shape, as if the they are shape changers.

Here is an instance of the size of a "midge".

And an Earth midge up close.

I call up something similar those are what nosotros see the Engineer'southward tissue in Prometheus is beingness transmuted into.

They are besides shown in the concept art of the Engineer being broken down.

This is from the Covenant Novelization -

"...each ane was a cluster of tiny black motes preserved in something that that looked like amber."

This is from John Logan's Alien: Covenant script.

"The original blackness liquid turned to lethal particles when exposed to air. Afterward stages produced parasites and invasive insects."

Oram looks at those motes-insects in David'south magnifier in the movie.

"The Captain could see frozen in identify various stages of the pathogen'southward life bike. Motes inserting feeding tubes into insect-sized subjects and pumping eggs into their unfortunate bodies. The eggs growing, hatching, and maturing, to finally burst free fifty-fifty from the diminutive hosts, only to begin the cycle again."

These announced more than wasp-like than the gnats John Spaiths described for Prometheus. These are obviously unlike than anything we have on Earth, simply we practise take thousands of species of parasitoid and parasitic wasps. Parasitoid wasps lay their eggs or larvae inside or on an developed host species, oftentimes killing the host when they mature. The motes-wasps do the aforementioned by implanting an egg or embryo of a Neomorph into the host, which is killed when the Neomorph is built-in.

"From the egg sacks came these parasites. Airborne, and gifted with a very primitive, but dutiful hive intelligence. Once released into the atmosphere they're relentless in their purpose. The shock troops of a genetic set on. Always searching for a potential host." - David

Nosotros see these egg sacs in Covenant, and in David's drawings.

"Waiting for a host. Entering the host. Rewriting the Deoxyribonucleic acid" - David

In the Advent video on the Blu Ray/DVD nosotros meet David doing a cartoon showing a mote swarm and a mote breaking from the swarm and implanting eggs in a host.

THE PATHOGEN REWRITES THE Deoxyribonucleic acid OF THE HOST, AND TAKES ON CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOST

"Entering the host and rewriting the Deoxyribonucleic acid, the pathogen produced mature offspring who's advent and characteristics are wholly dependent upon the nature of the host itself. The progeny of a parasitized insect for example, will look very different from a animate being that issues from a quadruped host." - David

This is why the ultramorph (deacon)/neomorph/xenomorph all take a humanoid shape and can walk upright, why the dog burster in Conflicting iii primarily walked on all fours, and why the diverse alien experiments in David'southward lab resembled the animal hosts they were birthed from. Since the proto xenomorph in Covenant could walk on all-fours, presumably a quadruped was bred into its lineage.

DAVID DID Not "CREATE" Annihilation, HE "ENGINEERED" WHAT ALREADY EXISTED

How much David engineered himself and how much already existed is debatable, but he conspicuously was working with the pathogen, which already existed.

"...with nothing to occupy myself other than the compiling of a unproblematic drove, I began to do a flake of genetic experimentation of my own. Simple cantankerous-breeding, hybridizing, what have you. I like to think that the ill fate inhabitants of this world, the original Engineers, would gaze on my work with approval."  - David

Oram - "Y'all engineered these?"
David - "Idle hands are the devils workshop."

Alan Dean Foster had this to say in an AVP podcast interview in 2017 - "David was working with material that had been left behind by the Engineers, and he's been playing around with it...Information technology is possible that the Engineers developed the xenomorph, or it is possible that David developed a more advanced version of the xenomorph".

This is from John Logan's Conflicting:Covenant script.

"...the slaughter would never end until every humanoid life class was dead. Thus the creatures that attacked you: Human Dna infected with the virus and creating still more deadly mutations ... An endless spiral of predation." - David

Nosotros also have this quote from Ferran Domenech of MPC, who worked closely with Ridley on the design and effects piece of work for the alien - "David spent years tinkering with the pathogen Dna and re-combining it to create the 'Xenomorph', a perfect organism. In the original 1979 ALIEN, the Xeno is a cool and stealthy killer. This made sense to u.s.a. as he is a larger version of the bioweapon the Engineers designed in the Neomorph."

That ways the genetic coding to create the Neomorph already existed in the pathogen prior to David. In the Conflicting Covenant Appearance video, David states that human DNA from Shaw was what allowed him to brand breakthroughs in his own engineering.

"I had to salvage her parts to begin work on my masterpiece...You wouldn't believe the secrets I have unlocked...With Shaw, I realized at that place was something extraordinary about the substances reaction to the human genome. I was able to unlock new properties and tweak the organisms aggression and instinct for survival. It took years" - David

DAVID DID Non CREATE THE EGG OR FACE HUGGER, HE "ENGINEERED" HIS OWN VERSIONS - this was already indicated past the fact that we see 2 confront hugger-type organisms on the mural in Prometheus, which was thousands of years old, although we see no egg/ovomorph shape on the mural.

In the novel, however, nosotros have this most the egg.

He gestured towards the finish of the table. A sizable leathery egg shape sat in that location. It was separate from all the other specimens, equally if occupying a place of honour...The interior revealed a motionless creature. All finger-similar appendages and flattened body, with a muscular tail coiled below it as if it was ready to spring outward.

We can come across that full sized egg in the Advent video.

"In case you are wondering. I had cipher to exercise with it. It lies as I found it. A supreme example of the Engineers skill, and as well I suppose, of their hubris. Would that I could create something then perfect in its function," he added. "I try, but I don't have thousands of years of practice at biological and genetic engineering. I have only my pitiable programming upon which to draw." - David

We also see various smaller versions David had been experimenting with in his lab.

So, if we are to believe David, the egg is another aspect of the parasites life cycle that already existed. Note that the eggs in David'due south egg room await very different from the ones nosotros saw in the derelict Juggernaut in Alien. The fact that the proto xenomorph in Covenant looks very different to the one in Alien indicates these are not (withal) that verbal same type of egg.

THE PROTO XENOMORPH WAS A RESULT OF DAVID'Southward CROSS-BREEDING. IT IS AN EARLY VERSION OF THE XENOMORPH - In Prometheus nosotros saw a morph looking creature on the mural in the temple/caput room. It had an elongated caput similar the other forms we take seen - ultramorph (deacon), neomorph, protomorph, and xenomorph. It also had smooth skin similar the deacon and neomorph.

"Come. This is actually what I wanted to evidence you. My successes." - David

David'southward contribution to the design seems to exist the armored exoskeleton and articulate dome on the head, considering all the other forms we accept seen prior to that had smooth pare over the trunk and head.

Also note that the resulting xenomorph conflicting in Covenant does non look exactly like the one in Alien. This is an earlier version. That is not merely credible because of the blueprint differences, only by the fact that the xeno'southward gestation catamenia seems to exist slightly faster and it is built-in fully formed, with all limbs, but every bit the dog/ox burster alien was in Alien iii.

The Alien Covenant fine art section called this brute a xenomorph, although a ameliorate term would be proto xenomorph, or protomorph.

Alan Dean Foster wrote this about the xenomorph in Covenant. These are David'south thoughts every bit he watches it existence built-in from its mother, Oram.

"Information technology was already beginning to change, to mature, even earlier it had fully emerged. An advanced model possessed of a wildly accelerated rate of growth."

Saying "avant-garde model" implies the Deoxyribonucleic acid for this version of the morph already existed. That could simply be a reference to the Neomorph, or an earlier version of the xenomorph. Foster said FOX did not object and let that line stay in the book.

THE PATHOGEN DID NOT IMMEDIATELY DESTROY ALL THE ENGINEERS ON PARADISE/PLANET iv - Recall the torso of the Engineer posed upright in David's lab? It looked normal, other than the fact it was partially skinned, and was property it's peel in one hand. Dissimilar the ones in the plaza, which were desiccated and deformed.

"Every bit yous can see, my time here hasn't been wasted. It's in my nature to continue busy. Continue the mind exercised and all that, lest it fall prey to disorder from misuse." He indicated the massive body of the Engineer. "This specimen was particularly arduous to complete, and messy, yous tin can imagine. Fortunately with thousands of examples from which to choose, I was able to exercise on equally many as I wished before finally getting this one correct". - David

This implies that not all the Engineer's were killed past the bombing, and an early on draft of the script says it took four days to impale all the Engineers. That also raises more questions. Where were they and how did David subdue or kill them in order to experiment on them?

They could accept been holed up in a sealed buildings and they probably had shelters prepared for just such an outbreak. An early version of the script indicated they even had a planetary shield to forbid a pathogen entering or leaving the planet, although it obviously was non functioning in the movie, other than messing with the recording of Shaw that David was able to ship out to lure passing ships, and Covenant communications down to the planet.

We besides have this from the Foster novel - "As y'all have seen, the seed incubates, mutates,  and matures with astonishing speed, until it is reborn. If non controlled, a single application is quite capable of rendering an unabridged world uninhabitable." - David

This implies that information technology is possible for the spread of the virus to be controlled, if desired, so if David knew how to do this, it could also explain how he had Engineers to experiment on.

Four FORMS OF PATHOGEN

"The Pathogen was designed to infect all not-botanical life forms. All the animals, the "meat" if you will. Either kill them outright or use them every bit incubators to spawn a hybrid form, highly aggressive." - David from Alien: Covenant

"The pathogen took many forms..." - David from Conflicting: Covenant

"They were as ingenious with their pathogens as they were with everything else. It was designed to infect every living being. Either kill them outright, or mutate into a different lethal course" - David from John Logan'south Covenant script

Nosotros have seen at least four different functions of the pathogen in Covenant and Prometheus. Some people think these are just different effects of the same pathogen, others, like me, think all the evidence in the films points to the fact that the Engineers made various forms.

Cosmos Course - In the Prometheus prologue nosotros run into a version of the pathogen which completely breaks downwardly the host cells, re writes the DNA, and creates new types of fauna. The Engineers sacrificed themselves to "seed" worlds with new life using this version of the pathogen. Ridley has referred to them as gardeners. They seed a globe, supplant the fauna with their own creation, then come back periodically to tend to their garden.

This type appears to function by consuming living tissue and transmuting it into thousands of tiny blackness motes that fly away to infect other animals. We run across them swarming out of the Engineers body equally information technology disintegrates and John Spaiths described them equally scarab-similar gnats on the Blu Ray.

DESTRUCTIVE Class - This is the type that killed the Engineers on LV-223 and infected the Engineer head that exploded in Prometheus. It was intended to be used to wipe out Mankind on Earth over 2000 years ago, but David dropped this same form on the Engineer city in Covenant and wiped them out. It appears to intermission down and destroy tissue at a rapid pace, killing instantly. This seems to be nothing more than a weapon to impale animal life.

This blazon appears to role with motes of the black fluid that transform and go airborne. It moves collectively in swarms, like to the blazon in the Prometheus prologue. In the movie we run into the urns drop from the Dreadnought and explode in mid air, releasing blackness clouds that hover in a thin layer. These clouds then descend in swarms, like a plague of locusts. These set on the Engineer bodies with a apace expanding infection that converts the tissue into more of blackness fluid at a furious rate.

The converted tissue violently erupts into black branch-similar tendrils that appear to be another transmuted form of the pathogen. Cipher is left of the Engineer bodies merely desiccated husks that appear to harden over time, and all traces of the black tendrils disappear.

PARASITIC FORM - This is the type that requires one of the Engineers delivery organisms to infect a living host by implanting a seed or egg inside the host that grows into a parasite. The host is used as an incubator. The three types we have seen are:

Trilobite - Very large, single organism that latches onto a host, implants a single parasite inside the host via a tube, then dies.

Motes - tiny flight organisms that resemble insects. They are released from spore-like eggs, when the eggs are disturbed. They fly in swarms and implant parasites in the hosts via a tube.

Facehugger - big, single organisms that are released from large leather eggs when disturbed. These latch onto the host, implant a single parasite inside the host via a tube. It keeps the host alive via the tube until the parasite has grown to a certain phase, then dies.

The parasite these implant in the host take on traits of the host from the hosts own Deoxyribonucleic acid. The parasite grows chop-chop until it bursts out, killing the host. We take several nicknames for the various versions of parasites, or 'morphs' that we take seen:

morph or protomorph - Seen on the mural in Prometheus

ultramorph (deacon) - seen in Prometheus

neomorph - seen in Alien: Covenant

proto xenomorph - seen at the end of Covenant

xenomorph - seen in Alien

queen xenomorph - Seen in Aliens

From the morph volition come a new egg that grows a new delivery organism inside (face up hugger being one blazon). We take all the same to run into the full cycle from morph-to-egg in a movie still, but the director's cutting of Alien shows us the xenomorph tin can grow new eggs (ovomorphs) using homo hosts as the raw material. Aliens shows u.s.a. some other way - an Conflicting queen that tin can create the eggs directly via a detachable womb.

Ridley indicated these morphs have a curt life span, and when there are no more than hosts to infect, they die out. He has also indicated they tin regenerate when damaged.

This is a parasitic form of the Pathogen, designed to spawn hybrids, only information technology volition also cleans a planet of all native animal life of specific types.

In Holloway's case, David infected him with the pathogen by directly ingestion. The event was either infection of tiny parasitic worms that multiplied inside his body and destroyed his tissue, or his tissue was beingness broken down and transmuted into the tiny worms. We run into a worm parasite protrude from Holloway's centre in Covenant, and many of them are protruding from his pare in one of the makeup tests, indicating that he was infested with them.

Holloway never turned aggressive or followed the same blazon of physical transformation as Fifield, so this form does non appear to be the same as that.

At the time Holloway was infected with the worm parasites he had sex with Shaw. His Deoxyribonucleic acid and that of his sperm were existence altered, and some have suggested that an actual worm paraste passed from him to Shaw, which and then infected her tissue. The resultant organism birthed from Shaw was a type of face up hugger, the delivery mechanism for the parasitic version of the pathogen.

The urn David took this form from was one that was not leaking similar the others in the urn room in Prometheus. Below are David'south notes on the ingestion furnishings from the Weyland website. These are incomplete, as David did not observe the infecting parasites directly and Holloway was killed and his trunk burned while David was investigating the Engineer send.

MUTATION FORM - In Prometheus we see that one version of the pathogen, the blazon leaking from some of the urns in the temple/caput room, tin mutate an organism and make information technology extremely aggressive. We saw this with Fifield's mutation and the mutation of the segmented worms living in the soil of the temple room.

After beingness immersed in the black fluid leaking from the ampules in the temple room, the worms were transformed into large and aggressive hammerpede creatures, with the ability to quickly regenerate damaged tissue. "this goop, as a upshot of being exposed to the atmosphere when they unseal information technology (the ampule room), interacts with these worms, and those worms grow into much larger and nastier worms that have the adequacy of infecting the humans who come in contact with them - Milburn and Fifield." - Damon Lindelof from the Prometheus commentary

In Fifield's example, his face mask was melted by acid then was splashed with the black liquid on the flooring of the LV-223 temple.  It appears that he inhaled some of the pathogen through the holes burned in his faceplate, as very little of information technology seemed to straight contact his skin.

The resulting infection caused him to begin transformation into some other animal, and plow very violent. He was killed earlier we got to see his last form, but information technology appeared head was enlarging. In the original version of this scene, Fifield was much male parent along in his transformation, with an elongated caput and elongated limbs.

This is David's description of the inhalation effects of this class of the pathogen from the Weyland Website.

It is also implied by the Prometheus production designer that this version of the pathogen is what infected the decapitated Engineer in Prometheus - "Fifield was considered to be a mid point betwixt the Deacon at the end and Hammerpede…The table where the head explodes - ultimately that's going to happen to Fifield at some signal. Whatever was happening to that Engineer is at present happening to Fifield. His caput is becoming horribly contorted. He is losing himself to the alien within him." - Arthur Max production designer

I assume this version was meant to exist a weapon, but information technology may also exist a mutation designed to propagate and create a customized commitment mechanism to infect more of the native host organisms.

sherris

Chestburster Member 516 XP Jun-25-2017 1:45 PM

The pathogen is still difficult to sympathise.

You put a lot of effort and knowledge into that and it took a fair corporeality of thinking.

I stand up by me feelings that in that location are still so many inconsistencies with the pathogen and the book but tried cover every possibility.

They should of had the rules set up out earlier Prometheus and stuck to them. The handling of the Pathogen by the writers has been doomed equally they all seem to see information technology as something different.

A fix of rules on the Pathogen should of been put in pace.

Information technology shouldnt take pages and pages to explain. No fence this is what it is and this is what information technology does.

I enjoyed your mail Kethol but i notwithstanding recall the Pathogen is confusing.

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Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-25-2017 2:04 PM

What part is disruptive or inconsistent? I thought it was rather simple, but it should be complex. There are probably hundreds or thousands of varieties of the pathogen the Engineers created, each for a specific function.

The book was based on the screenplay, and then I don't recollect Foster added much, if anything. The bulk of the dialogue is in the movie, but that entire egg scene was not. That was probably filmed though, because there is a photo of the prop in David'due south lab.

IndyFront

Facehugger Member 129 XP Jun-25-2017 3:22 PM

Love this! This function caught my eye in detail,

"From the egg sacks came these parasites. Airborne, and gifted with a very primitive, merely dutiful hive intelligence."

And then, actually and truly, once the xenovirus (I always liked that term ADF used) hits a bespeak of sufficient biomass - when it has come into contact with enough DNA - it gains self-awareness, and can well-nigh 'call back' virtually what information technology wants to do. I wonder if David was simply interim on behalf of the xenovirus itself, perhaps information technology tin can affect bogus intelligence (since AI is more mechanical in the style it thinks, thus more easily effected by a hivemind). And, although it is 'not-catechism', the Aliens comics are a veritable trove of inspiration for Alien fiction.

SuperAlien

Xenomorph Member 1303 XP Jun-25-2017 5:50 PM

"In example you are wondering. I had nothing to practise with it. It lies every bit I plant it. A supreme example of the Engineers skill, and likewise I suppose, of their hubris. Would that I could create something so perfect in its function," he added. "I try, but I don't accept thousands of years of practice at biological and genetic engineering. I have only my pitiable programming upon which to draw."

That makes sense, the Engineers created the eggs. I guess this rules out the conflicting queen.  You made my day. Thanks a lot Kethol for your posts.

"He survived, he'southward at present in Disneyland in Orlando, and no style am I going back in that location. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-25-2017 5:55 PM

I was never a fan of the conflicting queen - the concept I mean, non Cameron'due south cool-as-hell blueprint - but the queen could just be some other variant on the egg creation. There are nevertheless a few years between Covenant and Conflicting, and there were a LOT of eggs in that cargo concur. They don't all necessarily need to be the aforementioned type.

I don't call back annihilation in Covenant negated the alien variants in the afterward movies. It kind of opens the door to explicate all of them.

Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-25-2017 6:fourteen PM

We also have this from the Weyland website. It's sort of a preliminary report from initial transmissions sent back by the Prometheus, presumably by David. Information technology contradicts the picture in places, so information technology'due south not really canonical, but it provides some info.

SuperAlien

Xenomorph Member 1303 XP Jun-25-2017 6:27 PM

Lot of eggs indeed as that ship was on a mission. Honestly I don't see the Engineers grabbing the eggs from a queen every bit I don't come across a queen laying eggs for Engineers. They were rather biological weapons and if the shape resembles that of an egg is to hint at the beginning of the alien life cycles. I don't encounter the aliens equally a civilization simply something created to destroy civilizations. I might be wrong only I don't think Ridley Scott will always utilise a queen in his movies. I know the original script of Alien presented the xenos every bit a dying civilization, the eggs should have been plant inside I pyramid but due to the limited budget they had to adapt and since then they steered away from that idea. Anyhow the next pic volition exist great, the gaps are filling in, they should put a lot of money into it to lucifer Ridley Scott visions.

"He survived, he's now in Disneyland in Orlando, and no way am I going dorsum there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

SuperAlien

Xenomorph Member 1303 XP Jun-25-2017 6:55 PM

I suppose Ridley Scott wants to keep united states busy looking for answers, passes briefly with the camera over impressive sets dimly lit so with every watching of the picture you can focus on something else, something you know you missed previously. He should have the all-time script writers, to match his cinematography and directing.

"He survived, he's at present in Disneyland in Orlando, and no manner am I going back there. How did he end up in Disneyland? I saw him in Disneyland, Jesus Christ!"

Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-25-2017 vii:27 PM

You lot don't have to wait for the answers. They are right there in the movies.

David explained everything very evidently in Covenant. I thought his dialogue was very well written.

The other two versions of the pathogen we see in Prometheus are easy to figure out but by looking at what they do.

BlackGooDrinker

Facehugger Member 112 XP Jun-25-2017 9:01 PM

So if at that place were/are thousands of engineers as David stated to apply for his practice...where are they? Are they asleep? Chillin on the planet?

Is there an calendar the mods are not telling us about? ;)

I.Raptus

Praetorian Staff 2414 XP Jun-25-2017 nine:xv PM

Kethol  this is outstanding work!!! Great job! Especially clarifying the four variants of the pathogen. Upvoted.

Im still confused as to whether the Deacon in Prometheus was the result of chance though despite the mural depicting what looks like a Deacon.

In another thread we were discussing the amount of variables involved to produce the Deacon-morph //www.alien-covenant.com/topic/45584 most notably the multiple species and transmission vectors.

Does your info from the volume help at all??

Kethol

Chestburster Fellow member 511 XP Jun-25-2017 x:02 PM

@BlackGooDrinker - David maxim "Fortunately with thousands of examples from which to choose, I was able to practice on equally many as I wished before finally getting this one right" pretty much says it all.

I guess the thousands he sliced and diced are in a dumpster out back :) The existent question is, how did he impale or subdue the ones who were non infected and get them dorsum to his lab. There'southward a whole other movie there. I can meet David in 'I Am Legend', going out daily to chase Engineers hiding in deep deep hugger-mugger dwellings, tranq darting them, and rolling them back to his lab on a behemothic trunk cart. On the side of the cart he has painted "Blackness Goo Express" :)

@IRaptus - No, nothing almost the deacon in the book, but that's just another form of the organism grown from the parasitic version. If the giant face hugger that impregnated the Engineer had impregnated Shaw or some other human instead, we would accept yet another variant. It all depends of who infected who and in what guild. It'southward just a wild, sick, and twisted orgy, as Lindeloff once said :) The only commonality seems to exist the elongated head and tail.

I don't think that something-morph in the landscape art would exist a deacon since that mural was from thousands of years before. It could be a very early version of the organism, or just some stylized art representational of the full general features of the organism.

Gavin

Trilobite Admin 9516 XP Jun-25-2017 10:57 PM

There is a much simpler way of explaining the pathogen...

Pathogen = Xenomorph

Xenomorph = Pathogen

They are i and the aforementioned, the variants are just the result of the host(s) used.

Or another way of putting it a Xenomorph is the embodiment of the pathogen formed used the hosts Dna, and the pathogen is a viral class of the Xenomorph awaiting a viable host.

dk

Trilobite Fellow member 8212 XP Jun-25-2017 11:04 PM

TBH, I am okay with some things like these remain unexplained mysteries.

Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-26-2017 6:43 AM

@Gavin - I presume y'all are using the term "xenomorph" to refer to all forms of the parasite born from the host, not simply the version David engineered?

There is no xenomorph involved with the "seeding" grade of the pathogen, or the mutation form.

The simplest mode to say it is:

Pathogen = 1 of the following

a. new brute life

b. mutation of existing animal life

c. devastation of all, or a specific, beast life

Gavin

Trilobite Admin 9516 XP Jun-26-2017 7:03 AM

@Kethol, I will simplify...

Pathogen = Morph

Morph = Pathogen

The iv forms you lot mention are actually the results of how the pathogen infects its host, and the "Morph" traits of the pathogen are e'er nowadays whether incubating (Shaw), consumed (Holloway and Sacrificial Engineer), or by concrete contact (Hammerpede and Fifield).

Remember, Ridley has shown united states of america the pieces of a puzzle, along with a few misleading elements. remove the misleading elements and strangely, like Lindelof and Scott said, the answers are there in Prometheus and confirmed in Covenant.

BigDave

Deacon Member 10324 XP Jun-26-2017 eight:xiii AM

I wish i got my lazy ass into gear lol i have been pregnant to do a lot of Topics for a long long time, i have covered the Blackness Goo in depth a number of times and i have also figured out how come up its effects are different in Air conditioning, and i was meaning for a while at present well four-5 weeks to make a Topic.

Who knows what the Blackness Goo really does considering they proceed changing information technology as they go along... my Analysis i volition put side by side and i dont think it contradicts what Air-conditioning shows or the Novel but i accept yet to read the book.

"So if there were/are thousands of engineers as David stated to use for his practice...where are they? Are they asleep? Chillin on the planet?"

This is interesting and we have to Logically ponder what this could mean, likewise I Engineer was more of a Match for David but these beings on Paradise are not as Large and almost are Human being sized.

Its a very ambiguous quote..

I neglect to meet how David lone tin off-white confronting Thousands of living Engineers. I besides think it would be hard to experiment on the Dead Bodies... and so i tin merely Presume some Engineers escaped not then damaged but in no way was they 100% fully fit and so they proposed no threat to David.  I think this Quote ways David was conducting a Frankenstein's Monster from Engineer Parts, clues in the Set link to this.

Earlier the Novel... i did wonder where David could get his experiments from, as far as Hosts for them...  did some Engineers Survive or those beings?  Then how does David managed to subdue them, equally we meet a Engineer hands took care of David.

So when looking at those beings which well-nigh seemed Male, merely at that place was likewise Female Bodies in the Sets... and they appeared to be Human Sized... i wondered did the Cathedral take a number of beings inside who most could be Female and that when the Bombardment began this place started to seal itself off as some kind of Prevention measure.

If these beings and the ones inside the rubber of the Cathedral are smaller versions of the Engineers and they demand FOOD/WATER which is at present maybe contaminated, so this would make them very ILL... they either drink/eat contaminated FOOD/H2o or there was limited supply inside the Cathedral and eventually these Humanoids would go weak from Starvation etc and become Easy Targets for David.

The comment past Wayne Haag and a few other concept creative person well-nigh how the Juggernaught and Scorpion-docking ship having a Dust Up and so one shot in the Movie we see for a quick second the Scorpion-ship crashed in the back ground, this gives another means for David to obtain Engineer Material.

If this ship had beings on lath and this ship was protected from the effects of the Black Goo Bombardment... just and then it crashed and the crash could take left those within injured and then easy for David to use in his experiments etc.

These TWO was how i thought David would have obtained Genetic Material for his Experiments, as i felt the Charred Dead Bodies would for the most part exist not suitable and that a large number of alive and well Engineers would hands exist able to take on David.  so my Two options provided a Less Plot Hole ridden caption.

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BigDave

Deacon Fellow member 10324 XP Jun-26-2017 8:xxx AM

I will take to work on my Topic i have been meaning to re-address for a long fourth dimension... here is a quick run downwardly though.

THE URNS/JUGGERNAUGHT

The Blackness Goo in those Urns was Originally not Black-Goo equally far as in Prometheus.  The Juggernaught Ships Original Purpose was a Evolution of the Aboriginal Seeding Method.  The Sacrificial Scene shows us a Engineer drinks from a Cup/Bowl of the Sacrificial Substance, this breaks down his DNA and this Deoxyribonucleic acid so reforms into a New Substance that infects Organic Life and passes on Engineer DNA onto it while information technology too Evolves the best traits of the Organic Life this Mutagenic Substance comes into contact with.

If the Elders/Hiearchy had came up with a better way to Seed Worlds more Faster, then surely if they held Mass Sacfrificial Rituals where a Engineer is taken and given the Sacrificial Substance and then they do this while they are held to a kind of Sacrificial Table with Groves to collect the Cloth or fifty-fifty within of a Tank/Sarcophagus a Engineer (Humanoid) is placed so exposed to the Sacrificial Substance and the broken downwardly Humanoid Material is collected and siphoned into a device that allows information technology to be stored into Glass Ampoules and thus the contents of those Urns.

Then would not dropping down Urns of Engineer/Humanoid Dna to Seed Worlds be more effective than the Lone Sacrifice on a World route?

I think this would explicate the Hanger with the Buddha Offering Statues, in that its a Ritual Purpose that these beings are used now and once again for Sacrifices.  They are collected by a Engineer Ship for this Honorable Fate.  If the Juggernauts was a send where Sacrifices are nerveless and then Sacrificed either on-lath or at some other place to create the Substance that goes into the Urns for Seeding Worlds. This would explain the reaction of the Engineers/Humanoids on Paradise and how they did not seem to be fearful of the ship.

THE BLACK-GOO

Something yet had happened over the thousands of years and so that a Faction of these Engineers had came into contact with a Organism, and the result of this Organism was to see ane of their kind give nascence to New Life, a Chest Buster and these Engineers saw this maybe equally a way to actually have a Engineer Give Birth to New Life in a different mode, a way similar to Child Birth that these beings had Lost or had taken from them.. or just never had (if LV-223 Engineers are Sterile Clones).   These Engineers then experimented on the results of this Organism until they had achieved what the PROMETHEUS MURAL had shown....

They viewed the Organism in the Mural as PERFECTION and they then used the Sacrificial Substance on this Organism to create the Strain of DNA inside those Urns on LV-223, this is why the Deacon was in a Sacrificial Pose.. information technology was to bear witness that information technology was Sacrificed just equally the Sacrificial Scene and its Genetic Cloth/New Mutagen nerveless into those Ampoules and stored in those Urns.

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Starlogger

Chestburster Member 907 XP Jun-26-2017 8:35 AM

Very well done, and well said, Kethol. Yes, the details ARE all there, y'all just take to look, and look again, and call back. THAT'due south why this flick will be much more enjoyed over fourth dimension and earn a rightful place of respect. It's not about as "muddled" as a lot of negative nancies would like to think information technology is.

Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-26-2017 8:42 AM

@Gavin

Same problem though. The term "morph" is used primarily by the film makers and fans in describing the three forms of the humanoid (xenomorph, neomorph, deacon) version of the organism, so if you just want ane term that simply ways the "result of how the pathogen infects it'southward host", best to utilize another term since the seeding mutation version (every bit far as nosotros know) and seeding version do not involve those.

BigDave

Deacon Member 10324 XP Jun-26-2017 eight:49 AM

Part ii Black Goo explained.

And so here i my accept on the Urns.The Engineers Weaponized Urns/Vases have Iv Components, a External Storage Container that houses the internal components which incorporate of Four Glass Vials that are surrounded by a Reactive Compound that reacts to intermission downwards the Glass Vials and mix the internal Pathogenic Mutagen with the Reactive Chemical Component to Create a Chemical Reaction that Produces the Black Goo Virulent Biological Weapon, which reacts Differently to Various Environmental Factors and Pressures.

The External Casing has Markings and Writings that likely contain Warnings and Handling Instructions besides as Inscriptions relevant to the Purpose and Nature of the Bio-Weapon.

The Internal Reactive Component is affected by different Environmental Factors, that crusade this chemical compound to liquefy and react with the Glass Ampoule Vials to break them down and mix the Pathogenic Mutagen with the Reactive Catalyst Compound,  This Reactive Component will also interruption down the Structure of the Storage Component once information technology reaches optimum Environmental Factors and Force per unit area, Releasing the Virulent Bio-Weapon.

Which has different effects depending on the Factors which consequence the Reactive Components Status.

Thus....  The Urns contain a Mutagen that contains Mural-Xeno-Deacon Organism Strain DNA and this substance when it comes into contact with a Host depending how it comes into contact and dosage... will Genetically Re-write the DNA of the Host causing Mutations where the Host Organism will accept its DNA Re-written to take on the Mural-Xeno Strain Deoxyribonucleic acid

The effects are a bit unlike when the Mutagen is mixed with the Reactive Chemic Component but notwithstanding does the same matter.

These components of the Urn Bio-Weapon are similar to the Radioactive component of a Nuclear Weapon, and coming into contact with the Radioactive components of a Nuke has different effects on a Organisms Dna/Organic Mater.

Just these components when Activated past the Juggernauts Weapons Arrangement can be modified to React in a Different mode where the Components of the Urn react in such a way that causes the Urns to Explode and the resulting Black Goo is effected in a dissimilar way that it just destroys DNA of Organic Life within a Smash Radius much like how a Nuclear Weapons Components when Activated/Exploded will crusade a Massive Fire-ball that Destroys/Incinerates all Life inside a Blast Radius.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Kethol

Chestburster Fellow member 511 XP Jun-26-2017 eight:58 AM

@BigDave - "these beings on Paradise are not equally Large and most are Human sized."

The Engineers in the plaza looked to exist of varying heights, as they should. Of course, we had no human next to them for scale, but we did have calibration afterward when the Covenant crew walks past their corpses. They were much larger than man scale.

The skinned Engineer in brandish in David's lab was besides the same size as the ones we saw in Prometheus.

Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-26-2017 nine:15 AM

@Starlogger

I call back one time Covenant hits dwelling house video and streaming and people can watch the scenes where David explains things over and over, there won't be much question any more.

I virtually wish David had not explained as much as he did, just to brand people utilize that mush in their heads a flake more. Yous tin can extrapolate all y'all need to know from what nosotros see in David's lab and what we see happen in the movie.

BigDave

Deacon Fellow member 10324 XP Jun-26-2017 9:38 AM

Cheers for those images... does kind of articulate up things..

Some shots in the movie those beings clearly looked about Human size though....  I have to go through the trailers to capture some shots.

Got these merely there are better out at that place..

Then these off set.

Shows dissimilar sized beings every bit ones to the left larger than ones to the right yet are also further away

These beings dont look that big either.

But the images you posted do look larger, but as RS said.. these beings are not a RACE but a Civilizationand then they could come in all sizes?

The Single Male person Engineer Sculpt is about 7ft 4" mark (depends on summit of those people)  but its in line with the Engineers in Prometheus.

The Female and other Engineer shots its hard to work out but the size of the bones being worked on would put them at about 6.5ft tall, maybe between half dozen.5-7ft depends on elevation of the Female Production Crew

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Kethol

Chestburster Member 511 XP Jun-26-2017 ten:18 AM

Ian Whyte, the histrion who played the Juggernaut Engineer in Prometheus, was 7'1", so half dozen'-8' is probably the height range for adults.

The pinnacle of the shorter Engineers and their children would non actually wait much dissimilar than your average human being.

Cerulean Blue

Facehugger Member 446 XP Jun-26-2017 11:20 AM

@Kethol - Bang-up work!  Upward Voted!

Michelle Johnston

Chestburster Fellow member 761 XP Jun-26-2017 xi:44 AM

There are a number of straw-man narratives here but to the central point.

The pathogen is a deus ex machina which runs riot in a number of different ways. When they were filming Prometheus information technology was called a Xeno Mutagen by Damon and an Ebola like breakout past Ridley. One of the gets of Covenant is we are told the Prometheus crew discovered the Alien Pathogen, the flake that is important there, is Alien not Pathogen. A formal recognition that the XXX121 creation story emerges from the Pathogen.

The book deals with those that accept helmet issues with the movie, including over the Pathogen, but Sherris makes a practiced signal you should not accept to read a tie in book to understand nor should it be and so complicated yous need pages of notes to work information technology out, otherwise you go out of the movie or some volition, considering of how they cognate. We should respect we exercise non all cognate the same mode - that does not brand others stupid, it makes them different.

We book readers are as well enlightened that Alan offers an Easter nowadays from the Engineers which is not exactly speaking from the same hymn sheet as Sir Ridley. I have asked Alan direct how we should view that distinction and as nonetheless he has not answered, which itself is interesting. He besides calls the prequel novel Alien:Origins not Alien Covenant:Origins which given the synopsis now in the public domain is even more curious......stay tuned as they say.

Where I take issue with the thread starter is that an awful lot of questions were left unanswered which were set up in Prometheus.

1) What is the relationship between the Engineers and their visits to mankind and the underlying narrative as to why they felt information technology appropriate to destroy mankind. Nosotros know the JC outcome was debunked so what was the reason other than disappointment we did not live upward to their ideals, but and so neither did they and they ended up dead - more please.

2) What is the relationship betwixt the life giving catalyser ingested past the acolyte from the teardrop ship and the Alien Pathogen and the Engineers. I accept a very clear idea and so does Big Dave but that has not been answered. Incidentally Big Dave my view of the architecture of Paradise Central is the aforementioned as yours. Every bit I said many months ago now, these are the Einherjar being prepared for Ragnarok and some day presently the Valkyries will render and notice matters adjusted, volition they put Walter back together ? That also explains why these guys await similar Tibetan Monks equally opposed to the beautiful elegant types with synthesised body armour. ADF constantly reaffirms they are not vertically challenged and 6 foot beds would leave them dangling over the edge.

three) Other than dismissing David every bit a psychopathic mad robot (thats David 8 not Big Dave) , we exercise not know what he establish out in flight, why did he apply a first strike protocol and where does Elizabeth fit in, other than vague plot betoken user-friendly allusions. Way to important the story turns on these points and at that place is huge potential in that location for drawing us in.

Put simply the Alien Pathogen is easy to comprehend equally a super creational endlessly mutating virus which creates outcomes for their own sake and is entirely nihilistic without any moral compassing, what is not articulate is all the stuff around it, most fundamentally is it a punishment for rebellion. Ridley has now indicated that the space gardeners will return to run across their source destroyed. What volition also be interesting to plant is if they are creative gardeners of the tear drop ship variety who accept returned from a milky way far far away or more suited and booted guys.

On a carve up indicate War of The Worlds. The Mayfair's inhabitants, the W-Y acquisitive mob and the mad equally hell Engineers IF it gets made.

SpellboundSynapses

Ovomorph Fellow member 55 XP Jun-26-2017 3:47 PM

The "from the eggs" e'er confused me. And then the eggs that David refers to are the containers for the black goo or what?

BigDave

Deacon Member 10324 XP Jun-26-2017 3:56 PM

Indeed Michelle at that place is a lot of interesting themes and ideas to be played out yet, information technology why the Engineers should be a cardinal Focus of the Story.... David has been fabricated a Key Thread that ties in the Weyland now Weyland-Yutani Company and the Xenomorph Bio Weapon that is a Experiment/Creation using the Engineers Experimental Bio-Weapon they created on LV-223

I think RS/FOX are concentrating on this David connection as opposed to the Engineers History and Agenda, merely i guess time will tell... I feel Engineers will come dorsum into information technology only not in a manner that gives Prometheus much Answers but only to innovate them equally a Alien Race and then if Fans are happy how this comes off, then hopefully nosotros tin can explore the Engineers and the whole History a flake more.

As for the BLACK GOO.... its been changed virtually and made a flake complicated when the Original Idea which Jon Spaights presented with the Nano-Scarabs actually does explicate the Stuff Perfectly. Which so if you accept his idea, it basically comes to the same conclusion as the theory i had regarding it from 5 years plus ago... that when i then saw Spaights Typhoon and Read it, i was pleased to see that the Scarabs Work the same way i saw the Sacrificial/Blackness Goo work.  it did not need to exist made more complex.

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BigDave

Deacon Member 10324 XP Jun-26-2017 four:xv PM

"The "from the eggs" e'er confused me. And then the eggs that David refers to are the containers for the black goo or what?"

Just more confusing data that they have tried to add together to the whole Pathogen.  The Novel does seem to imply the Black Goo turns everything eventually into a Pathogenic Virus that creates Eggs, of various Stages.

The source i had, which i cannot confirm is 100% correct unless we always get to meet Paglen/Dark-green Drafts as opposed to Logan/Harper that gave us Alien Covenant.

But they claim the Xenomorph Origins was from a Parasitic Organism that the Engineers either had not created or indeed was the result of an Evolutionary Path the Engineers never played any part in.    The Organism starts equally tiny Worm-like Organisms that are related to the Echinoderm lifeforms merely also take some connections to Cnidaria

These tiny Wormlike Parasites can infect a Organism and Change their Deoxyribonucleic acid to produce Hybrid Organisms, These worm-like Parasites likewise go through stages where it and then evolves into what the Source describe as a like Brain/Testicles with Tentacles.  This Tentacled Organism once again can infect an Organism past implanting a Seed inside it that grows into a Hybrid Organism.

When in that location are no Hosts or the Environs becomes Harsh this Tentacled Encephalon/Testicle Organism volition attach itself to a surface and become a Cyst-like Pod and then within this Cyst One of Ii things happen.

It either clones itself inside, and so that a smaller Tentacled Organism grows inside that and so is released when a Host comes by.   Or instead it produces a larger number of the Tiny Worm Stages within.

The Engineers came beyond these and this is where the Offset Xeno-type Origins come up from. Information technology as well seems this upshot was the result of some kind of Punishment.

They claimed the Cyst-phase somewhen could Evolve into Protomorph Eggs which the Engineers on LV-223 attempted to Re-engineer.

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